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CletusTSJY |
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I think Widmore sent those people on the plane, and the case contains a nuclear weapon or equipment to dig up the one they buried (back in the 50's I
believe it was) and use to destroy the island.
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Ozmodiar |
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Why would Widmore destroy the Island though? I think he wants to control it himself.
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blueduck37 |
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I'll get off the main topic for a second and add this.... Do NOT f*** with Desmond Hume. You will get messed up. Period.
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CletusTSJY |
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I'll second that motion!
As for Widmore, maybe "if I can't have it, no one can?" I guess it could be some kind of broadcasting equipment to help him locate the island. This just occurred to me: what if the island wants him back and in the end Ben's going to get taken out and Widmore will get back in control? |
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pygmy carnotaur |
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Was it ever explained where Dan went? I remember him traveling back to the 70s with the rest of them, but then when they cut to three years later, he was gone.
I'm just trying to figure out if I missed something, or if they just haven't told us where he went yet.
As for tonight's episode, it was pretty predictable, but nice to get an episode focused on Miles again. I really wish I could understand Lost's version of time travel a little better though. I just don't like the idea that you can meet yourself in the past without seriously damaging the timeline in some way. And it gets worse too, I mean Faraday claims that any of them can die, and I can kind of understand that if I don't think about it too much. |
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blueduck37 |
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Nope, they never explained where Dan went after the last time jump. Apparently, he went to Ann Arbor! As for the time travel, it mostly makes sense to me. Any
of them CAN die in the Dharma days and it doesn't affect the timestream, because for them, this is their future, not their past. It wouldn't change the
past, for instance, if "Lafleur" dies in the 1970s. It wouldn't affect the fact that, back in America in 1977, James Ford is growing up and will
someday get on a plane and go to the island and travel back in time.
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gusbanks |
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A couple of weeks ago, TV Guide did a story on "Lost" and Carlton Cuse divulged three tidbits and said one of them is true. So far two of the three
have come true...
1. Charlotte is the little red-haired girl that Ben Had a crush on 2. Miles father is Marvin Candle 3. (not official yet) ...can't get the spoiler script to work...sorry! can't reveal it! |
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beerbaron |
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I don't know why I never noticed it until last night, but how come "LaFleur" has his last name on his jumpsuit while everyone else has their
first name? And how come Hurley's says "Hurley" not "Hugo"? Just wondering.
I thought this was a good episode. I think it's freakin' hilarious that Hurley was writing the script for "Empire", and that he dissed the ewoks. I also love that Hurley is always the voice of the confused audience, like wondering about the whole Pierre Chang/Marvin Candle business. I wonder what the hell Sawyer is going to do with Phil? Doesn't seem worth killing him over, and yet how can he keep him from talking? I'm glad they did a Miles episode. My understanding was that we were orginally going to get more backstories on freighter folk last year until the writer's strike screwed everything up, so I'm glad they got back to him. It never occurred to me that Chang would turn out to be Miles' father. As a guy that does time travel experiments and such though, you'd think Pierre would be suspicious. Not to be politically incorrect, but how many Asian guys named Miles are there? It was cool to see them inscribing the infamous numbers on the Swan hatch door. I can't wait to hear what Faraday's been up to. I assume it's the DeGroots that just arrived with him. It's cool to see stuff set up so long ago starting to pay off. I have no idea what the "shadow of the statue" people are up to. I like that they are still introducing new wackiness though, even as we are getting other questions answered.
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pygmy carnotaur |
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Here's something that I've been wondering about lately. Remember back in Season... 2, I think? The Others had a list of from Jacob that he wanted them
to take. I may be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't that list exactly the people who are currently stuck in the 70s as part of the Dharma Initiative?
My guess now is that the other group is... Dharma. We know they still exist, because they still drop food and supplies on the island. I guess while Widmore & Ben are fighting over the island, Dharma is just going to sneak back in there and take it. |
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beerbaron |
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No, the list didn't include "bad people" like Sawyer and Kate.
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beerbaron |
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Good episode last night, in terms of getting answers, but I was annoyed by Daniel's death. Marching into the Others' camp with a gun was way out of
character for Daniel. He already calls them "hostiles", he knows they all have guns, he is going there looking for their help, and he goes in waving
a gun around, despite the fact that he has no idea how to handle one? Ridiculous.
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blueduck37 |
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I chalked that up to him being insane. I think this episode explained how Ms. Hawking was able to intervene in Desmonds past (first seen back in S3) and knew
he would end up on the island, etc... young Hawking gets Dan's journal (he handed it to her at the end) and she learns about the future. She then decides
to become the protector of all their fates, particularly Desmond.. since Dan's journal lists him as his constant.
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Ozmodiar |
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Interesting BD, hadn't put that together that she gets the Journal that she gave him.
I think it is an open question if she pushed Daniel to study time travel stuff in hopes he could find a way to "change" what happened, or if she was guiding him to that point because she felt it was fixed. I felt her pushing him to not have a GF or life was in hopes things would change. I also assume the first scene with him at the piano is the first time she saw young Daniel after shooting adult Daniel. I think her comment to Penny that "this is the first time I don't know what will happen" indicates that she knew up to getting the O6 back on the plane "what to do" but after this point - its unknown to all of them. What I find interesting is the theme that when the folks try to "change" things they end up being the cause. For instance: Sayid decides he can stop the "evil" Ben by shooting the young Ben - who seemed at the time to just be the kind, geeky kid of an abusive father. But by shooting him he becomes the "new" Ben, changed by Smokey, and part of the Others. Jack appears ready to follow the plan proposed by Daniel to "stop" the Incident - and thereby stopping the event that leads to the 815 crash - but I suspect that he will in fact cause the incident. The irony may be that Farrady convinced Pierre Chang to stop drilling and it wouldn't have happened. Hurley, I predict, will try to stop the numbers being broadcast, but actually causes the broadcast that is heard in Australia and eventually leads to his hearing of them. (I am worried about Hurley's fate at this point - we haven't seen his flashback as to why he got on the plane, he seems to believe in the Back to the Future view that you can change the past - what if he sacrifices himself to stop the Incident, figuring it will not kill him as he'll end up in an alternate future? I think Hurley's story will end this year...) Ben has tried to stop Locke from being the new leader, even killing him, but that didn't work - and instead made him even stronger in the eyes of the Others and Island most likely. More notes: There have been a few minor continuity glitches - Daniel's changing jumpsuit color, the position of young Ben's wound, even Hurley saying that Luke learned Vader was his father than had his hand cut off - mistakes or evidence that minor changes can and are happening? The situation with Desmond trying to keep Charlie from being killed - the implication was you couldn't stop it forever - that was was going to happen would happen, even if a bit different than expected. I was thinking that Widmore, Hawking, etc. probably knew about the Oceanic 815 incident before it happened, given what is occuring in 1977 and so on. Its clear the reason the Others had files on people like Jack and Kate was they knew to follow them long before the crash occurred - Ben/Jacob knew who they could take as Others and the List was probably based on that. Richard telling Locke they had been waiting for him a long time wasn't just prophecy or generality but the truth. Anyway, if Widmore knew about the flight, why didn't he have someone on it, someone from the inside? I've always wondered about Libby - she gives Desmond the boat which conveniently gets him to the Island, and she is observing Hurley at the mental hospital. She is the only person we never learned why she was on the flight (of consequence) - I'm wondering if she was working for Widmore and was a mole (which would tie into the "Expose" episode-within-an-episode where we learn a hero was not a hero - which of course was a shock to Hurley.) |
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PresidentKang |
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I think the producers have said that the Libby stuff is done.
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jmurray3 |
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Good points, Ozmodiar.
I disagree with you about Hurley - but i do think Hurley's character would sacrifice himself for the 815 flight people. I suspect he will live until the end of the series...because from a story telling standpoint, the audience can count on Hurley to gauge how well they're keeping up with plot twists, no matter how weird.
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Ozmodiar |
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Lost = Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster of TV Shows
So, Locke wants to kill Jacob. A - Jacob is a bad guy, and the Island is using Locke to do the right thing. B - Jacob is a good guy, and the resurrected Locke is not what he appears, and may in fact be part of the "Shadow of the Statue" group. C - Jacob wants to die, because if you die on the Island you join with it (old theory of mine). Jacob has been kept from that by past leaders of the Others such as Ben. His "Help me" in the cabin when Ben takes Lockes to see him the first time is about that - and the ash around the cabin was the containing spell that kept him from death. So Locke needs to "kill" Jacob to free him. |
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jmurray3 |
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I agree with your C theory.
Ben and Richard don't like the idea of everyone visiting Jacob. A couple possibilities here: 1) Jacob is scary, temperamental, and hates company. 2) Jacob needs help that Ben and Richard won't give him. Do you think it's weird that Locke told Ben he would kill Jacob? Wouldn't Locke assume Ben would try to stop him?
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Ozmodiar |
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I'm going with #2, I think. At a minimum Ben/Richard are doing something that Jacob isn't aware of/aprove of I suspect.
Smokey told Ben in no uncertain terms not to kill John Locke, so I think Ben is just confused at this point. Which is intersting, as we've never seen Ben totally confused - I think he was a little stunned about getting cancer of course. Ben may also believe that Jacob has no corporeal body and therefore can't be killed. Its never been explained why the Richard/Ben group of Others is so nomadic. The group we keep seeing has built huts, etc, and temporarily took over Dharmaville, but clearly haven't been there since Ben left the Island. Maybe there is another group of Others on the Island? Maybe Jacob doesn't like technology (as Ben told Locke) and Ben's group, with its traveling off Island, Bio company, and interacting with the Dharma stuff is like a splinter group? Is Richard's group the CIA/Army that protects the bigger colony, or are they like a heretic branch? Why pretend to be "primative" when first interacting with the Losties? Who knows? |
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Ozmodiar |
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Lots to think about:
My previous statement "B - Jacob is a good guy, and the resurrected Locke is not what he appears, and may in fact be part of the "Shadow of the Statue" group." Was close, apart from the Shadow of the Statue group being a part of it in a bad way. Gen. 27:41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob. 5 key points (I think...who knows...) "Esau" on the beach says he wants to kill Jacob, then says "Someday we'll find a loophole" - at the end Jacob says he found his loophole. So, since "Esau" says "we'll find" maybe they both wanted Jacob to die (unlikely I think). But is the loophole that it has to be one of Jacob's followers - or at least someone alive - that does the deed - "Esau" can't himself? (Is there a parallel with Ben and Charles Widmore on the idea that they can't kill each other either...) Supposedly the response Richardus gave in Latin was "He who will save us all" or thereabouts. My belief that Jacob was the captain of the Black Rock and was a Jack's great great great grandfather or so appears to be totally wrong. However my belief that there was likely a parallel between the Oceanic 815 and the Black Rock seems to be possible - something draws people to the Island - Jacob is looking for things to change, that humanity's fate isn't violence and death. Interesting as that is supposedly what the Dharma initiative was about... It appears that Smokey is on "Esau's" side (if they aren't the same thing, really) - so all the way back when Locke first met Smokey, did Smokey figure out that Locke could be the one they could use for all of this and let him live? This also suggests that the Christian Shepard wandering about was doing "Esau's" work. If "Esau"/Smokey use the dead to communicate, is "Esau" the devil? If the statue is Anubis, the Egyptian god who helped get the dead to the underworld.... Or is "Esau" able to control the dead, which combined form Smokey. In any case, is Locke now the character from Expose who we thought was a good guy but wasn't? (And in other allusions, is "Esau" the Bad Twin...) The ring of ash around the cabin was, as I thought, tied into a sort of "retaining" spell - only it appears it wasn't to keep Jacob in there but maybe to keep "Esau" in there - or maybe better yet keep him out? So when Ben brought Locke there, did that release "Esau" or was "Esau" already using it to pretend to be Jacob. Iliana expeced to find Jacob there, I think. One scenario - Ben/Locke break the ring when going to the cabin - the tantrum and "Help Me" was due to Jacob being attacked by "Esau" - when Hurley sees the cabin he sees the person in the seat and then an eye appears - if the person in the seat was Jacob, was the eye "Esau"? So the next time Locke is in the cabin and talking to Christian Shepard was that "Esau" manipulating him? (One thing that confused me - we thought Horace built the cabin, but it looked to me like the place that Rose and Bernard were living...) At the end Jacob says "they're coming" - I assume that is the rest of the O6, who after the bomb goes off return to the correct time line? And if an evil force now controls the Isalnd - is that what Widmore wanted? And who will stop them - maybe Jack? |
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Ozmodiar |
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More thoughts:
Vision of Claire to Kate "Don't you dare bring him back." Vision of Charlie to Jack via Hurley "You're not supposed to raise him." If Christian/Smokey are the bad guys, is Aaron being off the Island a mistake? Or were they maybe refering to Locke? Jacob gave Hurley a choice, gave Ben a choice, implied in his initial discussion with "Esau" that someday they'd have people arrive on the Island and not behave as "Esau" expects. Faraday believed in free will at the end after believing the past was set. Is this ultimately about fate/predestination ("Esau") versus free will (Jacob)? |
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